The Attorney General, Graham Leung, has raised serious doubts about his commitment to the rule of law with a naked attack on the independence of the Fiji Independent Commission Against Corruption, accusing it of a “witch-hunt” against its new Commissioner, Barbara Malimali, who was installed despite being the subject of a FICAC investigation herself.
Leung plays both sides of the fence in an astonishing display of disingenuousness. On the one hand, he says he has to be cautious about what he says because FICAC is “independent” and he could be investigated himself. Not now that you’ve got your own person running it, Doctor. And on the other hand, he launches into unprecedented criticism of the organisation under its now departed Deputy Commissioner, Francis Puleiwai, that calls into question Graham Leung’s own integrity as chief law officer of the State.
As the nation reels from an extraordinary day that began with Barbara Malimali being arrested and questioned by FICAC and ended with Francis Puleiwai’s resignation, here’s what the AG says in two adjacent and very different articles in today’s Fiji Times, the first of which is an astonishing attack on the independence of FICAC, describing it as “roguish” and saying that it requires a “reset”.
Then just below this extraordinary attack on FICAC, Graham Leung tries to pretend that it is still independent in a manner that will have the country’s lawyers and most other people falling about laughing or reaching for their sick bags in disgust.
Let’s get one thing straight, Fiji. This has been an outrageous and unrestrained assault on FICAC to remove its independence. It is no longer the Fiji Independent Commission Against Corruption but the Coalition Government’s Commission Against Corruption. And the real “rogues” aren’t Francis Puleiwai and her officers but the gruesome gaggle of Coalition ministers who have seized control of the organisation for their own purposes.
Principal among these is the Deputy Prime Minister and NFP leader, Biman Prasad, who has now escaped being charged by FICAC – an event that was meant to occur yesterday – and appears to have got away with his alleged wrongdoing in providing false information to the Elections Office about his assets and income before the last election. ( you can read the details on Victor Lal‘s Fijleaks).
But the most egregious public attacks on FICAC have come from those who are meant to uphold the rule of law – the double-talking Graham Leung and his predecessor as Attorney General, Siromi Turaga. And behind them, the rogue Acting Chief Justice and head of the Judicial Services Commission, the miserable Salesi Temo, who has long been a target in these columns for his successive breaches of the Constitution – the nation’s supreme law.
It is Temo who installed Barbara Malimali knowing that she was being investigated by FICAC for alleged abuse of office as Chair of the Electoral Commission ( see some of the evidence against her below). It is an unforgivable breach of all legal standards and conventions. And Temo, Leung and Turaga stand accused of betraying their oaths of office to uphold the Constitution and the independence of FICAC that is contained in the supreme law.
They have been aided and abetted by the likes of Manoa “Captain Kalavata” Kamikamica – another Dr Evil – who risibly claims in today’s Fiji Times that the Coalition is committed to the separation of powers and Barbara Malimali was chosen by two “celebrated judges” and chosen on merit. Yeah sure.
Let’s get another thing straight. Barbara Malimali is totally unfit for high office of any kind. As a strong and very vocal Coalition supporter, she staged a massive hissy fit on Facebook in the election aftermath demanding to know why Coalition supporters such as herself were not being chosen for government positions. This led to her obtaining her position on the Electoral Commission. And now she has been placed in charge of the Independent Commission Against Corruption when she is a Coalition stooge and there is nothing in the least bit independent about her. She is there to do its bidding.
Her first act as Commissioner, now that Francis Puleiwai has gone, will be to terminate the FICAC inquiry into her own conduct at the Electoral Commission. And her second act as Commissioner will be to block the investigation into Biman Prasad that was meant to have resulted in his arrest yesterday on charges of contravening the Political Parties Act. It is an obscenity that is rocking the establishment to the core. And it is so brazen that it has fired up the Fijian mainstream media into turning the blowtorch on the government in a manner that simply hasn’t happened before because public sentiment is now so inflamed.
Let’s get yet another thing straight. Barbara Malimali is a nasty piece of work. Aside from her grossly partisan support for the Coalition and her expectation of reward for that support, her record as a lawyer is highly dubious. In successive court appearances, she has been stridently argumentative and belligerent. And with an abrasive personal style, she is regarded extremely warily in most circles in “polite” society. Worse, she is a racist – someone who has been an overt supporter of indigenous supremacy at the expense of the minorities, which makes her totally unfit to hold an office of state that demands judgment, independence and excludes any form of bias or prejudice.
Barbara-gate – as the Fiji Sun is calling it – isn’t going to go away. The stench of what has happened on Fiji’s Day of Infamy – September 5, 2024 – has already enveloped and damaged the public reputations of Graham Leung, Salesi Temo, Siromi Turaga, Biman Prasad, Manoa Kamikamica and, of course, the Prime Minister, Sitiveni Rabuka. And the public anger isn’t going to go away, fuelled by the local mainstream media that has finally been jolted into recognising the corruption at the heart of this government. Say what you like about Aiyaz Sayed-Khaiyum but he would never have been this brazen.
The worm has well and truly turned – not least public disgust at the treatment of Francis Puleiwai and the character of the woman she was investigating but has now bested her and will run FICAC for the government’s benefit and as a vehicle to pursue and persecute its opponents.
This scandal will not be forgiven. And it will haunt those who have betrayed the public trust and degraded one of our most important institutions – the corruption watchdog – all the way to the next election.
Today’s (Friday’s) coverage, first from the Fiji Sun.
Plus a stinging Sun editorial….
No editorial at the Fiji Times ( as usual Fred finds something else “interesting”) but comprehensive coverage in addition to the extracts in our main story above.
Finally, a salute to the brave woman at the centre of this crisis, who began the day yesterday with her new boss under arrest and being questioned for abuse of office and ended in her own resignation.
However much these appalling people try to blacken Francis Puleiwai’s name, most Fijians will regard her as a hero for standing up for what is right.
You go, Girl. All right thinking people in Fiji are behind you 100 per cent.
Why? Because there is ample evidence that Barbara Malimali was using her position as Chair of the Electoral Commission to place undue influence on the Supervisor of Elections and undermine her independence. Here are just two documents, one relating to Lynda Tabuya, that raise serious questions about Malimali’s conduct and whether she was doing the government’s bidding.
Finally, could these two perchance be related?
You bet.
Is there a shortage of decent leadership in this country?
From former AG to this AG to Malimali.
From Rabuka to Tabuya to Aseri.
The list is shamelessly so long.
Malimali cannot be the head while under investigation.
Charge Biman now.
This joke is a big sign of no confidence.
FUBAR seems like an appropriate acronym for Fiji and the rule of law right now.
Any long term observer won’t be surprised the rule of law collapse has happened on Leung’s watch. He’s a well known idiot.
This would have never happened under Bainimarama’s watch. Never.
It would have never happened under Khaiyum’s watch too.
The nation, the JSC, and FICAC have been made to look like a bad joke. It is sickening. Time and time again every office and the powers have been violated and this is worrying everyday Fijians now.
What happened yesterday was a coup on an independent agency that should be held in high regard.
This is not Rabuka, Biman and Manoa’s Fiji. This is our Fiji. Kick the whole lot out.
Thank you for the updated information GD. We only come here to read about Fiji now.
Leung must be taken to task for this and Malimali removed from her new position immediately.
She cannot be endorsed by illegally appointed members of the JSC or the JSC in complete.
Rabuka and the President have lost all credibility and integrity to govern this nation. Who do we call for help? King of England or wait for another civil unrest to unfold!
The law of this nation is heavily compromised and it shows well now.
It’s only going to get worse GD, this was always on the cards. This lot has go as there have been multiple major legal breaches along the way. This bunch of cronies cannot continue claiming independence ignorance. Absolutely hog wash!!!
FICAC will now pursue the enemies of the coalition, anarchy will result. May God protect Fiji from the coming chaos.
Seems like they will RIG the 2026 General Elections
Absolutely no fear of their rogue behaviour
GD do you have a list of all Fijian MPs who are investigated by FICAC now?
I think Fiji deserves to know the names of these MPs asap.
The PM of Fiji must stand these MPs down while an investigation is in place.
No, I’m afraid I don’t. Is there anyone, from FICAC perhaps, who can assist us with this? Because you are making a very important point.
We need to know the full list of names to be able to judge the level of this conspiracy and just how much incentive the Coalition has had to take the corruption watchdog out the back and shoot it.
Under investigation by FICAC:
1. Rabuka – PM of Fiji Who Knows Nothing.
2. Lynda Tabuya – Queen of Misery
3. Manoa Kamikamica – Deputy PM of Smiles
4. Biman Prasad – Deputy PM of Assets Not Declared
5. Charan Jeath Singh – Minister for God Knows What
6. Bill Gavoka – Minister in La La Land
Did I miss anyone from the prestigious list?
https://pina.com.fj/2024/04/03/fiji-pm-rabuka-concerned-with-investigations-against-ministers/
Thank you for this. Brilliant. No wonder they wanted to put their own person in to shut all this down.
How could I miss and leave the main angel out – Siromi 😉
In the case of the Elections Office the SOE will have a list of the MPs she has referred to FICAC and for what.
The interference by the AG and the JSC is astounding. If you were contemplating running a business or investing in Fiji you would have to think twice.
Brings back memories of another AG ,a Ratu Etuate Tavai, who really liked the current AG for inter alia his personality
What on earth is a “celebrated” judge?
I want the government to name these 2 celebrated judges who confirmed Malimali’s appointment.
Since they are so celebrated then they need to be known.
The taxpayers have the right to know.
Temo and Jitoko. Chief Justice and President of Court of Appeal.
FiCAC investigating FICAC..🤣😂😅
Not sure why he was considered a “solid” person to fill the AG role. From my observation he hardly covered himself in glory when he was the Solicitor general in the Cooks in a very shortened contract of 9 months. Underwhelming would be a kind way to put it. I do note however that he was quoted there as describing the “practice of law” as a profession that can assist metaphorically as a “megaphone” highlighting unfairness, misconduct and injustice…..Maybe that no longer applies when you are the metaphorical head??
Change the constitution:
Make it more like the Chinese and Russian system:
The current coalition govt to rule perpetually ie to permit the current style of lawlessness and power in the hands of a few chosen ones to be entrenched by “law”.
Chairman and Comrad Rabuka and after him his proxies to rule Fiji forever more. Bring on more of this type of change.
Graham Leong was always a (word redacted for legal reasons) individual, always two sides to his character, one his public ne’er-do-wrong face, the other his (redacted) side. He specialises in bending the law not breaking it. It comes naturally to his nature. He has a small circle of friends that he will do anything for and even bends the law in their favour. He was known for this when serving in Nauru. Business deals with a Fiji connection he channeled to his Fiji lawyer friends. Barbara Malimali through their Lautoka connection happens to be in his small inner circle, his double-speak public comment was therefore to be expected
Leong was a senior solicitor in the Solicitor-Generals Office in Suva when the controversial “same sex marriage clause” appeared in the 1997 Constitution. The late Kavekini Navuso campaigned against it in the Naitasiri bi-election to fill Ilai Kuli’s seat, and won against Rabuka’s ruling SVT government. Rabuka, a Methodist lay preacher, said sheepishly at the time that he didn’t know how that provision got into the 1997 Constitution. After the bi-election his party in Coalition with NFP’s Jai Ran Reddy got trounced at the general election. He is back in coalition with NFP and has Graham Leong back advising him. Rabuka has not learnt his lesson and is steering his PAP ship towards the rocks just like last time. He will take all his followers down with him exactly like last time. Graham Leong is a liability because of his two-faced nature.He is a security risk and should be investigated, a person unfit to be Attorney-General of this fine country. .
When you have people with experience is such “powerhouse Mickey Mouse” countries like the Cook Islands and Nauru, what else do you expect?
The whole thing is embarrassing, but on their side, they all must be laughing.
Just like they must be laughing at the set up of the Truth & Reconciliation Commission.
Time for another change to get the old politicians out and in with a better new generation of younger untainted leaders. For a better Fiji:
This is wishful and naive thinking. Bar a few – there isn’t much left in Fiji that is good – when you measure by a higher standard than Fiji standards.
Fiji’s leadership and pretty much everything else is comparable to Fiji’s medical system, private or public – broken and third world.
“Overseas” schools , universities, hospitals, rugby stadiums, Rugby Coaches and Refs, Water Supply etc etc are much better – as one would expect in a developed western country.
So how can Fijians expect their local leaders to be world class standard? In competency and ethics.
Expatriates are envied, hated and subject to a campaign of being sent home in favour of locals. Some expats do enjoy god like status, because they can shower money and expedite overseas opportunities.
So, suffer the locals that are on offer and favoured , except the hypocrisy of getting a foreign national Rugby coach when the nation wants to be world class!
Many of those who could have been good leaders are offshore, some are coming back more so as investors and entrepreneurs..some to invest for betterment of Fiji, most for self gain.
The real solutions are from outside the current “box”, or nothing of the madness will change.
At the end of the day it is the citizens of our beloved nation that have been, and are continually being made fools of by Rabuka and his Coalition. They have lined their pockets with $8,000,000 worth of tax payers money, and they have played the humility card coupled with crocodile tears. The subsequent scrap from this debacle orchestrated by Rabuka and his cronies will pull our beloved country into the abyss of no return. When the supreme law of the land is manipulated to favour and normalise politicians immoral behaviour, then the future is indeed dark. The military could step in but not without serious risk and international repercussions. Repercussions that will have a devastating monopoly effect on the country’s fragile economy. But the country needs to be relieved of this absolute corrupt and incompetent coalition. Now!!!!
People do not realise, they are being punished by Rabuka for rejecting him comprehensively in the 1999 election. That was a big embarrassment for him. He has manipulated the people and now they are paying for their deeds. This guy does not forget.
All those crocodile tears and apologies are that of a snake (good one- crocodile tears of a snake, I just made that up!).
There is no doubt in my mind that the vast majority of the people of Fiji are idiots. Why else would they elect a well known idiot? Anyone got another reason? The excuse that they have been conned is very weak when a dickead is in plain sight.
With respect, I think the “idiots” thing with every comment of yours is wearing a bit thin. Maybe give it a rest for a while and do what the rest of us do. Keep taking our medication.
I agree, but someone has to tell them.
🙂
Yes, calling all people in nations idiots is idiotic, brainless!
Analysis the situation and come up with possible solutions.
Got a name, got a solution ?
The whole universe operates within systems.
Fiji has a problem with its political , representative system, so has many other countries of the world, most famously right now is once powerful UK and USA Inc.
I am comfortable calling them fascist States i.e. government owned by oligarchs. Their “system” has been completely compromised and bought. Can I call all Americans and Brits idiots, NO, that would be stupid. Obviously there is a problem with the “system”.
I have provided what I consider pragmatic solutions within the Comment section of Grubsheet. How about you make proposals for a solution rather than just bleet “idiots”
I am sure the Intelligence Unit with RFMF reads these comments, so would hope they place this on Commanders desk with a spine.
For the welfare of Fiji, put in an Interim Government, put the Constitutional Assembly in place. Change the representative system ie to a one party state.
The money we presently spend on elections , $60 million ?, be spent on building a one party structure through out the country, ground up. Give this system 16 years and then consider another system, by then corruption would have crept in. Cycle different systems, giving each 4 cycles, 16 years.
At least, if we do the job right, we will have a country with no idiots, aye. All engaged in, ongoing governance of our country, from our local district level all the way up to national level, all the while holding our representatives feet to the fire.
Looks like this “system” is in full chow mode. Idiots !
Good luck with a one-party idea, Ian.
You often express thougtful views (agreeable or not) but you should know better to realize it’ll be but a pipe dream.
The natives will likely refuse the concept outright. Communalism, tribalism, provincialism, faith groups, bible thumpers will all together roundly deride the idea.
If itnwere to happen one party will impose their will on evryone with bad policies and the rest of it. We have plenty of examples of lawless behavior in government right now.
The rest of the people would be underrepresented at the very least, if not unrepresented altogether,
NOTHING will work here until and unless the natives decide what they really want that would better their lives. Be that better resiurce management, better productive use of land- however they want.
They need to stop the thuggery, stealing and looting from others labor of blood, sweat and tears, and stop relying on government handouts.
These may harsh and painful truths to swallow. But reality has to bite to lessen their sense grievance and victim hood. There are no short cuts–short cuts are often the wring cuts.
The natives have not ever quite fully accepted any government. Because they do not know what they really want. As the multiple coups and contorted constituions amply demonstrate.
As long as there is no respect for neighbor, no respect for the rule of law, no honesty, no integrity, no ethics, no morality, we are together all phucked.
Allow me to paraphrase what one of many U.S. civil rights leaders said: While we all arrived on different boats at different times, from different places, we are all now in the same boat.
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I doubt this AG will be able to restore law and order in the country when his own backyard is in a mess!
One question GD; the PAP team said that they would remove FICAC in their first 100 days in office. It’s now nearing 700. Have they had a change of mind considering what’s going on within their ranks atm? Just curious…
They realise that as long as they throttle its independence, they can use it to go after their opponents. Barbara Malimali doesn’t have an independent bone in her body. She is a nasty People’s Alliance stormtrooper. And she is there to keep the government in office at all costs, just like the miserable witch’s coven ( plus Nancy’s boy) at the ODPP.
You meant to say Nancy boys
Lol
Hahahaahahahahahaha I died at this.
This AG would make a very good “bad falla’ in a James Bond movie, eh?
He certainly looks the part! He does not need any makeup that is for sure.
Baimaan Prasad must be laughing at us all.
But what sort of credibility does anyone of them have? What sort of authority does any one of them have? Would you believe a single word coming out of their mouths. Just imagine them all sitting on their high horses pontificating to us. Who would turn up to a speech by them? What sort of a person would be seen in a picture with them? Who would invite them to cut a cake and open something?
Hypocrites, the definition of every member of government.
I look forward to Rabuka’s return and damage control media speech. It’s usually funnier than Seinfeld.
List of MPs under investigation by FICAC:
1. Rabuka – PM of Fiji Who Knows Nothing.
2. Lynda Tabuya – Queen of Misery
3. Manoa Kamikamica – Deputy PM of Smiles
4. Biman Prasad – Deputy PM of Assets Not Declared
5. Charan Jeath Singh – Minister for God Knows What
6. Bill Gavoka – Minister in La La Land
7. Siromi – Minister Sleazy
8. Vosarogo – Minister Wannabe
If 8 of them are under investigation including the 4 top donkeys, the PM and his 3 useless DPMs, the whole government machinery is being run by dodgy people. So how is this even allowed? Why aren’t the people marching on the streets?
Is the most likely explanation that the people are a bunch of racists?
No, they only march for women’s rights. Because right now these goons in parliament are their top notch leaders. As Ali said January 2023 was the best month with least crime.
I wonder what she has to say now.
Nevermind, it is better she says nothing as she hasn’t achieved much in the last 40 years.
Where are the human rights advocates who were always talking about corruption? All sleep because this sort of behaviour suits them too.
The issues of the last 20 months would have been a perfect time for NGOs to get some better ‘change’ because no doubt we have had change! It is surprising the big Women’s Rights leaders that danced on the street after the election 22 haven’t kicked up a fuss at having the youth with an education minister like Aseri and Lynda doing only what God knows what Lynda does. Maybe she can smoke up for Porn now. The baggage of it all. the horror show. The hypocrisy of this 20 months. Why? You are right in calling out the NGO community. Probaby the last Gov Fiji First gave those NGOs a hard time calling them out maybe. Now we have the top of FICAC comprised and an AG cover up and spin. The Finance Minister now caught doing wrong with own stuff. The truth and reconciliation going on in our face but look at all this mess?! The Media is free by the way. They have not been critical enough as with the NGOs.
The media is not “free”. They are in a straight jacket of their own making. Which is why the Fiji Sun editorial today is so welcome. They are finally catching up with what has been happening for many months.
It is absolutely staggering to me that no local media organisation has yet published the letter I have published from Sitiveni Rabuka and Ratu Isoa Gavidi telling Lynda Tabuya that she is being removed as deputy leader of the PAP for a drugs and sex scandal that has brought the party into serious disrepute.
It is unquestionably authentic yet has been censored by the media themselves. So “free” my arse.
Is the most likely explanation that the people are a bunch of racists?
Guacamole! You are a brainiac!
(insert smile emoji)
No.mentin of Puleiwai sending in her goons on a midnight Gestapo-style raid of Malimali’s home?
That’s what happens when the corruption watchdogs are set loose. Comes with the territory.
In response to Vulagi Vuvale.
Women represent 50% of the population.
People below the age of 50 represent 80% of the population.
Urban Fijians represent 50% of the population.
90% of the population is digitally connected.
Yes, the fear will be that women will dominate, terrifying thought for Religion and Vanua.
Yes, women will organise, they will be responsible, they bear the brunt of family development- child rearing, feeding, clothing and educating.
Poverty, cultural and civil dysfunction are burdens they have to suffer. yet have no say in correcting it..
A One Party State will give them either parity or easily a majority if they choose = democracy !
98% of those who presented submissions to the Ghai commission were concerned with Government services – jobs, health, education, communications, (roads n maritime services ) …….
Youth and women issues ! How better than to give them a system that democratically gives them agency to implement their resolutions, rather than for ever listening to lip service to their issues equaling a big fat zero.
I have sat in rooms were the participants involved have conducted world class discussion and dialogue.
We have honest patriotic people who can not participate in this present system of governance, which excludes the best and honest amongst the people.
Just apply some common sense, think it through, and look at what fruit this system we are under bears.
Endless chaos, antithesis of harmony and development. blackmail and greed, cut throat competition, nepotism, gang rivalries – old school, religious, provincial.
A One Party State will allow our best to be heard, to allow them to be present and participate in dialogue and discussion in formulating development programs and projects. Our brightest and smartest and experienced and wise, participating and sharing amongst all the people. Leaders of 10,100, 1,000 …..
The continuation of this present “system” we have, will see the death of our country. Either we deal with it now, or have it forced upon us, when we become a failed state, that will be hell in Paradise.
There are examples around the world, lets not be deluded it can’t happen to us.
Just read the papers, endless crap, not moving us forward, dragging us down.
Think
Imagine:
Big boss or not a big Boss, lays out an agenda with good pragmatic ideas
Maybe he or she, not big not small not a boss, presents ideas to his or her Cell. of 10.
They meet 8 pm at night, have their meeting and over before 10pm 2 hours.
( already 2 hours in one meeting towards governance of your area, district, nation, compared to 60 seconds in a booth at election time once every 4 years – you are engaged and heard. Your voice can not be ignored. )
Our Cell has approved resolutions, we have a leader, and he or she will go to the
Centurion Congress – leaders of 100. ( CCRaiwaqa 1 )
The CCRaiwaqa1 will compile resolutions from the 10 cells and determine their hierarchy on the basis of the National Congress 5. 10, 15 , 20 year plan.
For instance, if it is job creation and industry ( Asian tigers focused on this after WW2 – jobs lead to all other advances) All programs and projects are prioritized on the basis of ROI ( return on investment) – agriculture, industry, roads , wharves, airports, education, health, town-district planning etc. in the hands of locals,
Specialists – engineers, economists, agriculturists, educators, health professionals, planners, etc, available to the people to be able to determine our priorities.
Meetings at lower levels are held at convenient times, for instance weekends, so that there is least disruption; allowing for all the people to participate. At higher levels, leave from work is mandatory for Congress level leaders.
Communications is both ways – up and down.
All government programs are part of awareness programs and available on line and
all policies are available for discussion and dialogue.
You should be getting the picture by now, please add to it.
Those leaders who stray from the agendas they hold in their hands, that have been formulated and agreed upon, will not survive. All leaders are servants of the people and have the job of implementing their resolutions, sitting down and prioritizing them with other leaders. There are no “want to be” politicians in this system.
We already have Sec 121 Transparency and Accountability Commission in the Constitution – which I envisage will have Guardian Councils in every District, to keep our Civil and Public Officers honest and to also keep our Representatives on the straight and narrow.
Today, I have an example of a One Party State decision, I have no doubt would be implemented, and that would be the continuation of the Hibiscus Highway with PRC BRI funding for tar sealing upgrade, that was promised by Fiji First Party leader Voreqe Bainimarama. Its continuation from Kasavu to Loa, Buca Bay, 20 + kilometers, serving Buca Bay ( Tunaloa), Rabi and Kioa Island and Cakaudrove, Wainikeli and Vuna Districts in Taveuni. On the basis of ROI it would have the greatest priority in the North of Fiji, but alas, it is not to be, our PAP government I not going to deliver.
It is going somewhere else.
How was this determined?
PAP has Speaker of the House Hon. Rt Naiqama Lalabalavu, Tui Cakau , Hon. Prime Minister Sitiveni Rabuka, Hon Minister of Heath Rt Atonio Lalabalavu and Hon Minster of Lands Filimone Vosarogo all living on or at the end of what should be a new sealed highway, yet this is not to be.
Why do they not consider their voters feelings and needs in this regard is incomprehensible, considering on the basis of ROI, it is justified, even without important Vanua considerations.