The former governing party in Fiji – the deposed SDL (Soqosoqo Duavata Ni Lewenivanua) – has issued a news release taking Grubsheet to task for our coverage of its reported desire to introduce a Christian state in Fiji. The following – a statement by SDL President Solomone Naivalu – was distributed to news organisations by SDL spokesman Mesake Koroi. It restates the SDL’s previous claim that while some of its members have made presentations to the country’s Constitutional Commission, the Party has yet to submit its formal submission. Reader will note that nowhere does the statement deny that changing Fiji from a secular to a Christian state is part of the SDL’s agenda. And in direct contravention of Mr Naivalu’s account, one of the Constitutional Commission’s five members, Penny Moore, says the submissions in question were unambiguously from the SDL and identified as such at the time. ( see story below)
The tone of the news release indicates a sense of mounting defensiveness over the public response to the SDL’s position position. It clearly isn’t able to issue a blanket denial that a Christian state is part of SDL policy and chooses, instead, to turn a blow torch on the messenger. As the old saying goes, the best form of defence is attack. Strange that the statement specifically targets Grubsheet when the same stories have been run by several outlets, including the Fiji Sun and the radio stations and website of Communications Fiji Limited. Our stories have clearly irked the SDL the most. The statement is also notable for making much of Grubsheet’s status as an outsider. It’s in line with the chauvinism that’s always been one of the Party’s hallmarks. Grubsheet stands by its reporting.
SDL Party Official Media Release
The illegal regime’s apologist Graham Davis has worked himself into frenzy about what he thinks is the SDL Party’s official submission to the Yash Ghai Constitution Commission.
But that is typical of the likes of him shooting from afar pretending to be an expert on matters that are uniquely Fijian in nature.
Despite efforts by the SDL to clarify and correct the erroneous assumptions that the submissions made by individual party supporters are not necessarily those of the SDL as a party representing all the people of Fiji, Mr. Davis continues to ignore basic facts.
But that is no surprise considering that he is a well known apologist of the Bainimarama regime.
But be that as it may, let him be assured that the documents he referred too and not the party submission to the Commission.
The SDL Party submission is yet to be completed and indeed yet to be presented.
It will be ready to place before the Commission in late September or early October after consultations with our members.
So Mr. Davis will have to lick his wounds and contain his curiosity until then.
He can be rest assured that Party President Mr. Solomone Naivalu did not lead a team to present the document that has made Mr. Davis so agitated.
It is not denied that Mr. Naivalu was indeed present at the opening of the session when the document or rather the SDL supporters made their presentation. He was there to observe how Professor Yash Ghai conducts the public submissions. No more no less. Any responsible party President would have done the same.
Mr. Davis, an absentee commentator, is nothing but an arm chair critic whose views on political feelings in Fiji are obnoxious to the people making Fiji their home.
He is oblivious to the feelings of the people of Fiji and obviously harbors intense hatred for the SDL Party and its followers. He equates party ideology and its membership as indigenous racist.
The matter is far from the truth. In fact it is part of Fiji’s political mainstream. It won two elections back to back signifying that it is a PARTY THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
Perhaps Mr. Davis should educate himself about the party’s ideologies.
If he were well-informed he would have easily deduced that the SDL membership has always been multiracial.
In the 2006 general election the SDL fielded a multi-racial slate of candidates and won the election under the proviso of peace, multiracial harmony and prosperity.
Our Party Leader Mr. Laisenia Qarase, who has now been imprisoned, said in the 2006 manifesto that he hoped the election of that year would open the way for multiracial government by parties with shared ideals and a positive approach to nation building.
When the Bainimarama coup took place, Mr. Qarase was leading a broadly respected multi-party cabinet.
However, the SDL is motivated by the ideals and principles of Christianity but at the same time is not oblivious to the religious beliefs of other ethnic communities in Fiji.
It might be fruitful than for Mr. Davis to be balanced and objective for a change.
Mr. Solomone Naivalu
President
SDL Party
And now Penny Moore’s comments to Fiji Village that cast doubt on the veracity of the SDL statement. Digital recordings made of the submissions being presented also confirms that these were SDL submissions:
Constitutional Commissioner confirms SDL made submissions in Suva and Nasinu
Publish date/time: 15/08/2012 [17:13]
Constitutional Commissioner, Penelope Moore has confirmed that their records state that the SDL party made a submission in Suva and Nasinu.
Moore has confirmed that the submission clearly stated that it was from the SDL on both occasions.
Fijivillage has been informed that the SDL’s plan was to make the same summarized version of the party’s submission at different venues.
When questioned on this, Moore has said this can be done however the commission is also looking at diverse views.
Fijivillage has highlighted that senior SDL party officials had made the submission on the first day of consultations at the Suva Civic Centre.
According to our recordings of the submissions which are also recorded by the commission staff and confirmed by Commissioner Moore, the SDL officials said on the record while presenting their submission that it was being made on behalf of the SDL party. This was done in the presence of SDL President, Solomoni Naivalu.
Copies of the submissions presented were then given to Fijivillage and the commission staff by the SDL officials.
In the SDL submission to the Constitution Commission, it wants Fiji to be declared a Christian State, Christianity to be the state religion and Fijian to be the national language of the state.
SDL said in the submission that they also want the name “Fijian” to be reserved for the indigenous Fijians and all citizens to be called “Fiji Islanders”.
SDL also proposed that there should be no provisions for dual citizenship.
They propose that parliament and senate should be retained, some communal seats to be retained and the balance to be won under the one man one vote system.
On the appointment of the country’s President and Vice President, SDL has suggested that they should still be appointed by the Great Council of Chiefs.
Now SDL has released a statement saying it is not their submission and they will make their presentation in September or October.
According to a statement released by Mesake Koroi, Party President Naivalu said he was only present during the consultations to observe how Professor Yash Ghai conducts the public submissions.
SDL also said that it is a multi racial party.
However, the party said it is motivated by the ideals and principles of Christianity but at the same time is not oblivious to the religious beliefs of other ethnic communities in Fiji.
Story by: Vijay Narayan
OK. Lets wait and see what alternative they have for Fiji.
Bit I must say that their strategy of presenting piecemeal to the Ghai Commission with their President Solomone Naivalu present has confused people and damaged their position.
Regardless of what position they will now present, the damage has already been done. They have already been branded as a racist party. Their strategists should have thought this through in the first place. Seems like they made the wrong decison to have naivale present at their presentation. Only adds to the confusion. They have taken flak, quite unnecessary really had they thought things through. It reflects badly on them.
So what can we the public expect now from the SDL? A commitment to a secular state, non discrimmination against gays, an inclusive concept of citizenry where all are Fijians, dual citizenship? etc
The ball is in their caourt.
In the meantime Micky Beddoes is looking like the dickhead that he acually is..poooof…
Disband this party just like the great council of thieves.
That letter reads more like a posting on coup 4.5. The fact remains, the submission clearly states SDL party, end of story and no amount of spin can change that.
The trouble with the blogsites spewing racial hatred and nastiness is that they could give readers the idea that those views are the views of the majority. SDL’s submissions were probably based on that belief. When in fact gay bashing, fundamentalist Christianity and non- tolerance are all dated and unpopualr views in 21st century Fiji. A lot of people get misled by the hate blogs, believing them toi be equivalent to the French resistance or the undergrounf pro-democarcy movement, when in fact they represent common or garden racial hatred, religious intolerance and social exclusion policies. How sad for the SDL that they so miscalculated the wishes of the real Fijians. The SDL view? There is nothing like a bit of gay bashing and rounding up of the Jews to get the masses going !
That Article was first article above was first published on C4.5 yesterday.
C4.5 is the work of all the doll bludgers in the previous goverments meaning the Ratu Mara and Qarase and Rabuka they were the top heavy in the civil service.
They are mostly made up of people from Lau it will be about 80%.
They share the schorlarships even when they fail exams they keep studying locally in Fiji or overseas schools and universities when they do come back to Fiji they were given high post in all the ministries.
They dont have to work hard for anything.
In the taukei community they espouse that they are gifted talented and good looking and because they are from Lau they have the right to rule Fiji because they are the descendants of Ratu Sukuna or closely related to him…the i taukei statesman that instituted and created the Native Land Trust Board…….( a system exploited by the Taukei elected leaders and the Chiefs)
This doll bludgers had no interest in Fiji but they were enjoying the high life given their connections and relations to the Mara and Qarase clan ……they were the ones that lost when Frank took over and systematically removed them. They were totally corrupt at the expense of all itaukei and all Fijians from Ratu Mara to Qarase…..! All schorlarships and aid money go to their villages. This is the reason why the group at C4.5 are crying…sorry to say they are the minority in Fiji.
A mirror dont lie and their lie in their website C4.5 is not tallying up in Fiji. The itaukei and all Fijians know all about them.
We hear in circles hey did u know when they were in power they head held so far up their back side…”haughty” now they see that the almighty balance the power ” simple rule do not cheat your fellowman their dues for you will pay” they forgot all about that and they say they were elected by the majority…….well even if they did like Jesus who they espouse to believe and imitate they should be humble no ………..they ride on the majority vote…..and abused their position to their own downfall it was their own making…….
Frank completed the task for them……lol…………which is what he said he should have done way earlier..!
Fiji media is highly biased just like the ABC in Australia…..Frank put some responsible reporting in the Media……….and we see some real reporting.
The solution for Fiji is to tighten its own system instead so worried about Australia and New Zealand just like Singapore did with Lee kuan Yee. Trade trade and trade with whoever they see fit. Goverment is in the business of looking after its people for its gain and deliver them the best to gain some more.
Over dwelling in Australia and New Zealand Media and Local old politicians will not take Fiji forward.
Focusing on growing Fiji using its own human resource and natural resource will yield the best return for country and people in the long term.
The biggest problem in Fiji is the iTaukei as a 100% taukei i see this clearly. The itaukei should made to work and be responsible. The itaukei are sitting around all the villages doing nothing and holding back what the economy needs for growth ..”the land”
The land must be used for economic growth and prosperity for Fiji and legislation should be put in place to do this asap.
If the above is not done we will continue this path……….too many itaukei (60% of the population in Fiji) sitting around without thinking anything about working and contributing to the goverment……but thinking what benefit they will derive from any goverment if that does not happen a coup is imminent.
The itaukei must develop a work ethic and pride for Fiji..they must and sitting around in the village must be dissallowed. This should be law.
I am standing outside and enjoying Viti today for all Fijians and today for one of my favourite Fiji sons Mr Daryl Tarte.
Graham do you know Daryl? He is a Fijian…….Bravo…!
more later.
Oh dear…the SDL strategy is becoming clear…first they had their President Solo Naivalu attend the presentation in the Civic Centre where the SDL presented; then they had their submission published in C4.5; at the same time distributed copies of their submission to other SDL branches to present separately to the Commission (the idea being to create impression that they have the numbers throughout Fiji); waited for a few days to guage public response; then when they realise the publis response has been negative, they prepare for another submission for September.
This is politiking at the SDL best.
The SDL are playing silly games with a Commission which has an enormous responsibility of crafting a consitution for a nation.
Peoples future and welfare are at stake here yet the SDL is prepared to play their silly little games to score cheap poltical pints.
They (SDL leadership) are trivialising the whole exercise. They have miscalculated badly. People will now be entitled to ask whether they are the right people or party to lead Fiji into the future.
inclined to think, that he was there just to make sure that the SDL supporter’s submission were fully and properly received. Since he has not complained I take it there were no problems. So his presence was not to look to see how Prof. Ghai conducted submissions by just any member of the public but by an SDL supporter, in particular; and because he identifies the person as a supporter of SDL he agrees that the submissions were in line with SDL thinking, otherwise the person should have been declared a persona non-grata by the party and not classified as an SDL “supporter”.
Mr. Naivalu is doing disaster control. These argument about Graham being a Bainimarama apologist and resident outside of Fiji are red herrings. What he needs to do is to go item by item, line by line to tell us how and why each extremist statement is not consistent with SDL thinking. It’ll be interesting to see what the SDL will come up with later. If it’s different from what the SDL “supporter ” submitted, I’ll be a happy camper.
Me thinks this is how it was done.
1. Take your blue print and let your “supporter cum underwear” do your presentation.
2. Watch for the response from the Commission.
3. Watch for the response from the public.
4. Good or neutral response, then declare it as a SDL submission.
5. BAd response, then declare it as being individual SDL supporter submission.
6. Issue statement as (5) and response by declaring official statement to be issued in September.
7. Run to official SDL media…c4.5
8. Go about Grubsheet and Graham bashing.
9. In the meantime, bury your head in the sand……and say ” Oh my Methodist Lord I thought people in Fiji were still so dumb and stupid and have thus burried my head in the sand and exposed my world for the people.”
10. Try again
Brilliant, Chand.I think you’ve completely nailed it here.
Let’s see what happens. I’ll be the happiest man on the planet if the SDL eventually backs off but we mustn’t underestimate the racial and religious fanaticism driving their agenda.
The separation of church and state in a multi-faith country like Fiji is absolutely essential for national unity. When 32 per cent of the population is Hindu, anything else is highly divisive and a recipe for disaster.
Even as a Methodist talatala’s son, I simply cannot see why these people feel the need to have their faith endorsed at an official level. Christ himself said “render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s”. If these people are true Christians, surely they should heed the word of the Bible and strive to lead Christian lives in a secular state.
Just in anticipation of what may come to pass (God forbid !!) which Christian faith will SDL force me to follow?
Methodist (the version according to the SDL bible ?),
Methodist (according to the King James version),
Roman Catholic (will this church be outlawled since the Archbishop sided with Bainimarama’s vision?),
Anglican, Seventh Day, etc, etc.
And what if I’m already a Catholic?
What a load of BS from S. Naivalu and his cronies.
Check fiji village out…http://www.fijivillage.com/?mod=story&id=15081220443681027580e7ef773461
“Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!”
(Sir Walter Scott)
Sums up what seems to be happening with the SDL.
Chand you give too much credit to the SDL please this mob couldn’ organise a ‘root up’ in a brothel without everyone in Fiji knowingl! Look how they stuffed up with the multiparty cabinet, the Voreqe issues? Why? They were too busy playing ‘cowboys vs red Indians’! What they didn’t realise they had the wrong Indians! As for Naivalus’ answer to Graham-what a load of ‘shit” this former Health Minister use to travel to Sydney , stay up in the city at the Sheraton and have a good time with married woman-so much for attending conferences! He was well known for abusing his powers as Health Minister-using the ambulance at Vunidawa to cart his magiti to Suva, thats the quality of the Leader the SDL has! If Naivalu is as best that the SDL can get to lead them you can bet the smart ones have come to realise that to be around a dope is worse than been around a nut, at least the nut doesn’t realise he is a nut, a dope does! So what do you call his supporters ” sapo”! Graham you stand proud many of us who didn’t have a voice now do expose these people for what they really are they not there for Fijians they there to fill they own pockets.
Graham those that want to fight and die for God seem to make out that God needs defending from ‘Whom” ? Last i read God never asked for any help from Humans unless some of us seem to think that God is crying out for help and there are soem amongs us with a special mobile permit connection to Gods telephone exchange! Boy some of us are surely screwed up the wrong way!
Graham Davis,
Your blog posting is pathetic and devoid of substance. Obviously you can’t distinguish yourself legitimately in Australia on merit, you sad little man. If not for your pro-coup bias and loud caterwauling on the internet, no one would know of your obscure existence. These days any cretin such as yourself who is capable of posting on the internet is an “expert” congrats.
I am an SDL supporter, but we certainly do not want to have a Christian state – rather one that is tolerant but run on Christian, conservative values. Can you understand that.
Also, I never voted for Bai, Khaiyum or any one of these corrupt thieves you glorify. Neither of them could distinguigh themselves in the real world without apple polishing and skull duggery.
A perfect example of Khaiyum’s ineptness was the Court of Appeal’s ruling that the IG was illegitimate despite all the nonsense decrees and squealing to the contrary. I’ll never forget the picture of him outside the courthouse looking forlorn, clearly out of his depth aching for his mummy.
The word on the ground is that the SDL is even more people than when the crooked trial of the PM began. That was what you and your cowardly ilk are afraid of. In 2014 the dove of the SDL will rise like a phoenix and win the elections handsdown. What will Piggy say when the observers break the news to him (unqualified, illegitimate despot). If the will of the people is not observed, you will see rioting and he will be toppled – no different than the Asian spring. I hope you mouth breathing cowards on this rag blog will accept it, while Piggy and Khaiyum and co get their medicine.
Vincit veritas, interesting Latin name you’ve chosen for yourself but proof conclusive of your abject delusion. No triumph, no truth in your contention that the SDL will win in 2014.
Yes, I’m sad alright. Sad that any party in a multiracial, multi-faith nation can stand so determinedly for the interests of one race and one religion. But I fear that you are the one who is destined to be disappointed. When the time comes, it’ll be fundo for them and fundo for you. Ego vobis valedico.
The late Dan Veitata (Big Dan) once told us during a grog session that there is a kind of banana growing in parliament. Once you have tasted it, you will be hooked by its sweetness because it is one of a kind. Former MPs like Naivalu know the taste and they will try to get there at any cost just to enjoy that sweetness one more time.
V Veritas
There is no asian spring you moron, dou yavu tamata lamusona why dont you try something now, why wait for 2014.
Hey Vincit then what do you have to say to this:
Constitutional Commissioner, Penelope Moore has confirmed that their records state that the SDL party made a submission in Suva and Nasinu.
Moore has confirmed that the submission clearly stated that it was from the SDL on both occasions.
There is an audio file attached to this story. Please login to listen.
Fijivillage has been informed that the SDL’s plan was to make the same summarized version of the party’s submission at different venues.
When questioned on this, Moore has said this can be done however the commission is also looking at diverse views.
There is an audio file attached to this story. Please login to listen.
Fijivillage has highlighted that senior SDL party officials had made the submission on the first day of consultations at the Suva Civic Centre.
According to our recordings of the submissions which are also recorded by the commission staff and confirmed by Commissioner Moore, the SDL officials said on the record while presenting their submission that it was being made on behalf of the SDL party. This was done in the presence of SDL President, Solomoni Naivalu.
http://www.fijivillage.com/?mod=story&id=15081220443681027580e7ef773461
Vincit
Who will be rioting? In your dreams amigo.
Ha ha ha I have struck a nerve with you dimwits aye.
Joeli why do you resort to profanity when you are outclassed in brains you dumbass?
“An army may be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come” google it you silly peasant. Come 2014 if its fair elections SDL will win hands down and you will have to find another host you little bakewa.
The SDL will be making its real submission soon. Go to C4.5 and learn the Truth there my dimwitted friends. “The people who lived in darkness have seen a great light.”
Vincit
Hey little qitawa, by 2014 there will be no sdl party. Your party will soon become obsolete with your outdated ideas.
Vincit
The great light is Frank Bainimarama.
Who appointed Peni Moore to the Commission? Who is paying her? How much is she being paid? She had expressed surprise at being chosen? Was she interviewed, NO – for why should the likes of Peni Moore be interviewed for the Constitution Commissioner’s job when the Government nominating her is itself an unelected dictatorship.
Oi….Voter….here you go again….asking questions none of us can answer. So why are you wasting everyone’s time by asking?
Why dont you ask Peni direct?
Stop being a dickhead!
Graham,please show these SDL people how this ideology of mixing church and state has never worked throughout history.Northern Ireland is probably the modern era example.We go back to the days of Constantine and it shows clearly that it has never worked.
SDL my ass, next time those SDL politicians come to the province to tell more lies and make promises which over the years have never been fullfilled the boys will buturaki them and turn their fancy pajero upside down and then send them down the river on the bilibili so every village they pass they will be swore at and thrown stones at so by the time they reach nausori the only promise they’ll be making is to their soul, bunch of daylight thiefs the lot of them.
No to corruption and stupidity ie Piggy and his morons. Keane is guilty of manslaughter, released a short time later then promoted beyond his capacity. Hmm… double standards?? I think the people of Fiji would like to decide for themselves who to lead term out of this mess. Our presumptious illegal Minister for Finance does not even have a diploma, or any academic qualifications whatsoever remotely related to economics, finance etc and he want to be the steward of the country’s finances? Only stupid people like Joeli wants that. Then you have dummies like John Prasad appointed to be PS Finance? Thank God he’s no longer there, he almost wrecked the economy. His qualification is as a lab techie in the dairy industry. This is the type of cronyism and nepotism you idiots want? All regime appointees are rejects and castoffs.
The unfair trial of the PM has only increased support for the SDL and the other unintended consequence is driving successful Fijians out of Fiji. Why work hard when you’ll only be persecuted? A few of them are making it big in the region. But Fiji is suffering from their absence in strategic places.
Mark my words guys, all of you are just operating on your shallow opinions and envy – poor guys. I have actually observed and worked in strategic places in Govt during a Parliamentary democracy and know what i am talking about. Unlike you ignorant rabble.
SDL forever!!
Oh dear, a straggler from 4.5. You are preaching to the converted, dear chap. Unload if you must but your persuasive powers are zero.
Yes, “the SDL for ever”. A Christian state, Fijian as the national language, no dual citizenship, no gay rights, the chiefs back in control of the entire nation. It might suit you but it doesn’t suit us. You will lose. Fundo Veritas. Mark my words.
@ Bigshit Veritas,
Me thinks you got your education from one of those Queensland Universities who tailored subject modules to your level of intellect so that you could come back with a “degree” and your happy masters would then send more of your likes to same.
Meanwhile, the “educaters” at the Queensland university will chuckle at the idea while making more money from the (SDL) Shit Democratic Lepublic of Fiji.
So you were in Gov’t eh…and how did you get a job with that intellect?
Worked in Strategic place in government eh…Ministry of Agriculture???? PWD??? Prime Ministers Office….Passport Office
Strategic my arse.
With your intellect who needed Qarase and company…..go home you little twitt.
Which “strategic places in Govt.” did you work in? Both the public toilet and the one reserved for SDL parliamentarians, or just one of them? Judging from the amount of shit in your head I think you must have worked in both.
Say goodbye to SDL for me.
Regards.
Vincit:
Which “strategic places in Govt.” did you work in? Both the public toilet and the one reserved for SDL parliamentarians, or just one of them? Judging from the amount of shit in your head I think you must have worked in both.
Say goodbye to SDL for me.
Regards.
Vincit
You are farting in the wind mate. Go back to c4.5 and matavuvale or pay a visit to your leader in Naboro.
I see none of you has anything constructive in response to my points on corruption, cronyism and nepotism in the illegal interim government. Davis, if this misfortune and injustice was visited on you personally or anyone of your family you would be signing a very different tune. What do you have to say about the CRW soldiers who were murdered and their families? How about their murderers Naulia and co who were prematurely released from prison. As an admitted talatala’s son, what do you have to say about this injustice? The Court of Appeal declared this IG illegal and illegitimate, anything to say there?
We the people of Fiji will choose who to lead us in the elections. Joeli you better put down your crayons and start learning something worthwhile ie a legitimate line of income you little flea. Your free ride on taxpayer’s money will be ending soon. Kaukauwa tiko ga na gusumu, bavulu, tamata lamulamu.
The mismanagement of the economy cannot run forever. Do you know that the portfolio for roads is now administered by i-PM’s Office? It traditionally fell under Ministry of Works for obvious reasons. This is because of the lucrative infrastructure contracts for road upgrading and a nice little gem called kickbacks from contracts that Piggy is miliking. Hmm… is this the type of leadership you cronies desire for Fiji? Maybe you should crawl to him and seek out some crumbs for yourselves.
The SDL will be chosen by the people. Davis we do not need an unproven, unqualified person such as yourself deigning to advise us on how to lead our country. Seems like you cannot deal with reality. If the elections are free and fair SDL will win hands down. The only question is, do Piggy and his goons have the moral fiber to accept the people’s rejection of them? Can you Davis deal with that, or will you turn a convenient, blind eye to illegal usurpation of power. If this happened in Australia you’d sing a different tune you hypocrite.SDL will win. You can mark those words.
Vincit Venomous
You seem to be hung up on several issues, power, class and money which are sure signs you belong to the SDL party.
I did find it ironic when you said “Joeli why do you resort to profanity when you are outclassed in brains you dumbass?” and then proceeded to use profanity through all of your posts, again you must be SDL due to your double standards.
You are obviously living overseas otherwise you would realize the true sentiment on the ground in Fiji which is that the SDL party are dead its just a matter of burying them. At the rate they are going I doubt very much they will even contend the 2014 elections.
I also know you are a Ratu and I have a pretty good idea who you are, all of which makes no difference to the outcome as you are not in Fiji. Those dreams of running the country might just be that, a dream.
Go back to 4.5 and you add no value in this forum and are completely irrelevant. However we do know one thing is certain, Frank will win the elections and you will have to simmer away in self imposed exile.
Vincit:
Why live in the past? Let the dead rest in peace. For once in your life do the right thing. Just shut the f*** up.
Vincit
Hahaha, now you resort to profanity. You call me a tamata lamulamu, who is a lamulamu a man who uses an alias as his name or someone who uses his real name.
By the way have you taken your blood pressure pill this morning. Make sure to take it or you may suffer a stroke.
To all the people on this thread,
Bula Vinaka,
Please listen to me with an open mind.
I think that this discourse would be much more productive if the issues were separated from the people.
There are some very cogent and persuasive points raised on both sides, but it is utterly lost in all the personal attacks.
Whichever side you represent, why not let your arguments stand on their own merits? Why all the name calling?
Yes, we may all have personal views on the people we are referring to, but there is no need to let that colour what we are saying.
The current PM was not elected – ok – but especially when talking to people who are supporters of the current regime, surely using terms such as “dictator” are inciteful.
The same would go for former PM Mr. Qarase. There is no need to call him names either. There are some of us who have serious reservations about his sentence and the Court of Appeal has yet to weigh in.
Whether you like these people or not is not an issue. I find it quite disconcerting to read some of these comments because I’m connected to people who are being abused by both sides. This is a small country and I’m sure many of us are related or somehow connected to people on both sides of the political divide.
Just an honest and sincere plea from me, please try to keep it civil.
Vinaka
Vincit, based on what youre saying and the content of the submission made by SDL, you two are on a collision course. You said that you dont want Fiji to be a Christian state yet you are a strong advocate of the SDL course. How long is it going to take people like you to come to the realization that you dont matter in their own little circle, and that all they need from you is to give them the chance to get back power and fill their own little pockets. I for one am happy that Fiji is having another chance to rectify its mistakes of the past and once and for all put an end to past practices. The Bainimarama Government has no doubt opened many eyes in terms of service delivery to the people of this country and this is reflected by the overwhelming support the government is getting. You said that you did not vote for the people that are in Government now yet look at the people you voted for and where they are now? The dove you speak of is a symbol of peace and unity, yet the submission by SDL is contradictory to what its emblem aspires to. Perhaps they should replace the dove with a chicken cause at the end of the day, it all ends up in a dish to put it out of its missery. You speak of the “croocked trial” of Laisenia Qarase when all the evidence were there for us to see in our papers of what transpired in that court room. The people that you voted for have deserted you and carried on with with their merry ways, some leaving behind families to enjoy the fruits of their cunning ways off our shores and some in their one bedroom suite at Naboro, yet people like you are still stuck with their heads up their a-hole dreaming. Get your head out and smell the fresh air.
Still none of you have the means or intelligence to answer my specific points. Yet there is no shortage of squealing from you primitive rabble and opportunists. These are the signs of people who are ratlled. Guess the truth hurts aye?
If you are so confident that the SDL is an anachronism then why all the efforts from you to stamp it out. If you truly have nothing to fear, then let it be. But 2014 is drawing near and you shall see the truth for yourself. If Piggy has really brought such progress and is beloved by the people, then why the efforts towards immunity decrees for him and his troops?
That is not rational. It is the act of a paranoid individual, who knows he is wrong, but is driven by greed and is nothing but a coward. Even his subordinates despised him so much he had to flee soiling himself through a cassava patch to survive. Hardly the act of a beloved, courageous leader.
His conduct to intefere with the courts and promote his own friends and relatives is blind corruption and the worst sort of nepotism. The courts are now nothing but a marketplace. Yet all of you upstanding citizens, blindly support him.
The people will make their decision and the dove will fly high once again. All dictatorships fall, as has been evidenced in the Arab Spring, Eastern Europe,Latin America etc.
Not quite sure how everyone else is stupid but Fundo Veritas supports a party advocating policies that are more worthy of a primitive backwater than a modern Pacific state. Fiji exclusively for the “Fijians”, their religion and language forced on the other 40 per cent of the population, their hereditary chiefs given power over everyone, the rights of sexual minorities removed. Sounds pretty dumb to me. Another candidate for semi permanent exile until the penny drops?
Vinshit Verida
Stop repeating yourself, its becoming monotonous and shows how stupid you are,
Is that the best you can do my little friend? Cheer up, I’m sure I can find some peanuts and bananas for you.
V Verita
Stop your wishful thinking. You remind me of a guy who cannot get a gal and used his hand to massage his wiener.
Verita
If Frank can disband the GCC, I don’t see why he cannot do the same to your party.
Sounds like you’re talking about yourself. See a therapist for your Freudian slip. Best of luck.
Vinshit
No thanks, you can take those bananas and peanuts to your dear leader in naboro
Development partners and observers won’t let him do it. Piggy knows this. But again you miss the point – none of you are very bright, are you?
It’s not so much the party, but what it represents – the aspirations of the Fijian people. If the party is struck off, it’ll simply come back under a different name. And with more persecution will come more support from the people. People love an underdog sticking it to the man. It’s human nature.
Piggy won’t be able to keep up. In fact, it’ll make him look more like a sad, weak little man.
“An army may be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come”
@ Bigshit Veritas very,
Oh I’m quite loving this you little weasily weasal.
ok I’ll rephrase it for you….you are like a likeable little convenient pain in the stomach after a big meal…..
Likeable because after we stand up and press the flush button, looking behind we will exclaim thus “…oilei there goes vinshit veritas…thuiii”….knowing that this cycle will continue through a mans lifetime.
verita
Your party represents the aspirations of the elite Fijians and the great council of thieves period. You dont give a shit about the Fijians in the villages. One fitting example is my village in the interior of Viti Levu. After presenting numerous tabuas and pigs your SDL fat cats did not keep their promise. Bainimarama did it after one request.
Come to my village and talk about SDL, they will skin you alive.
SDL is showing syptoms of a thuggery party and all to himself kind nothing about Fiji or its people.
Check it out on youtube…!
Pillage now crooks now…before we get caught……thats what happened.
Nothing for the long term…….but a longing for the past.
Frank took over and its like water in a desert for the Fijians of all ethinicity.
The itaukei are free from the methodist church ………with its exorbitant fees….! Now at least the itaukei kids can go to school instead of paying fees to the Methodist Church of Fiji………!
Free from the chiefs who the methodist church control…and vice a verser.
Vince Veritas show us a way for the Future of Viti….what have you got………?
Let us know………!
Unlike your SDL submission ………..soon after no no its not ours what this…!!!
Bullshitting and lying will never lead anyone anywhere except to digging ones graves ……!
The problem with SDL and C4.5 they lie to much …they start to belive that their lie is their truth ………..far removed from the reality the truth of what happeining on the ground…in Fiji..!
Justice prevails …………….your leader is in Jail……….!
That speaks for itself….!
I find your empty threats amusing.
If Piggy is so popular, how come he doesn’t want to stand in the elections? That will be the true test. You all can vote for him, and the rest of Fiji will vote SDL.
Why this preoccupation with stamping out a party which you purport to be over and done with? Unless you’re scared that the next elections will be won by the high flying dove?
A rigged courtroom and rent-a-judge doesn’t convince anyone sensible or rational. Rest assured Piggy will get what’s coming to him. But I don’t think he has the moral fibre to take it like a man. If he had, he wouldn’t have fled yelping with his tail between his legs through the tavioka patch like a flogged mongrel. Yeah what a great leader…
None of you have answered my questions about the numerous illegalities that Piggy has made since his tavioka patch dash. Only your ignorant, sycophantic panting and grovelling for a murderer, female beater, thief and coward. According to you sorry lot, this vile fellow is spotless and a saint.
@ Bigshit Ver..
Ok how about this you weasal….this is our moment and we are quite enjoying it…and no amount of garbage coming out of you guys will spoil the party for us.
It’s our turn..do you get this you moron.
Which of the two guys are you in the video clip…..
The one who could not read the SDL garbage or the other clown with the …oh yes..the piggy tail…..now who is the piggy…
OMG everyone needs to see that video clip…it doesn’t matter which of the 2 guys is Bigshit Veritas…but one of them is…..
This clip should be shown in all primary schools…seriousely…a compulsory morning treat for each child in each school……why????
This is a clear example of why handouts have been stopped and children need better education.
This is why, when the children grow up and take responsibility of their families, their neighbours, their churchers/temples/masjits and the Nation of Fiji, they will proudly say..”I don’t care which of the two guys is Vinsit Veritas….I will not have them and the likes as my sons, brothers, my next door neighbours and in the country”.
Yes, Bigshit Veritas is a reminder of what went wrong with the education system, croynism, imaginary status symbol, sona levu and never to be repeated.
Vinshit
You are a rat bag.
@ Vincit Veritas, your constant reminder of the tavioka patch run that Frank did tells me either you’re a assuming or stirring, but in the interests of clarification I’m gonna bite. You repeatedly question the legallity of the crw soldiers death that day and their families, let me ask you, howabout those 3FR soldiers who died in that crossfire and their families??? Are they not important to you??? Those crw soldiers were trying to commit mutiny and in any army including the western world that act is punishable by death or life sentence in court marshall.
When you say the SDL has the peoples support, tell us which people??? Dont generalise because I know that many province in Viti Levu hates their lying guts. You say that you were a strategists in the last government, tell us what sort of economic timetable did you have for the economy to florish, what resources were you planning to capitalise and maximise??? Because in the past decades that SDL has been in power the net growth for the national economy is embarrasing.
Were you also the strategists in the election campaign??? Because if you were then what were your gameplan?? I’m sure that it won’t be far off what I suspect given its pretty easy to maximise the Fijian traditional system to sway the votes. Last question explain to us why in 2000 Qarase left his 250 grand per annum bank executive job for a interim pm post worth 87 grand perk???? I have my own assumption but I’ld like to hear yours because your answer would tell me just how good a strategists you are.
Sa dri yani.
@ Vince Veritas,
Answer the question by Moto Bitu so we can know who you really are and what you stand for …!
@ moto bitu
Hear, hear! Well said. Vinaka kemumni
The ethno-nationalists and pro-democracy mob including Vincit Veritas are gulity of ‘selective recall’. They conveniently forget that loyal soldiers working at their desks were cold-bloodedly gunned down by the CRW rebels.
What a low down cowardly act that was. Then they tried to kill their Commander who they swore to protect. The CRW rebels were feral animals who deserved the treatment they got i.e. they behaved ferally and deserved to be taken out the back and shot through the back of the head!
I have no sympathy for them or their NOK now crying for public sympathy. Feral dogs who turn on their masters must be put down.
varanitabua – vosa mai na wekaqu.
Piggy must stand trial and own up for his actions just like any other citizen. The fact is he expects others to put up with injustice but can’t hack it himself. Before the coup he was being investigated for his direct role in ordering the beating/slaughter of soldiers, financial mismanagement for which he was being surcharged (oops) not to mention his absence of transparancy complying with the Auditor General to audit the regimental fund he was using for a slush fund. A lot of this will be exposed eventually but its hard when he’s got his tentacles in the machine of bureaucracy, yet a lot of records are being held safely waiting for the proper time.
Moto mucu – you are being selective conveniently overlooking Piggy’s breaking his oath to serve the country to commit treason and save his own skin. He also earlier disregarded a direct order from his line Minister to desist from his selfish agitations, and also the instruction from Commander in Chief at the time Rt Iloilo to stand down. That direct insubordination is symptomatic of this weak, selfish guy.
You will see the election results for yourself and I hope you have the character to accept it, but it’s too much to ask. Also your comment about weak economic growth shows your wilful ignorance and dearth of exposure.
In a democracy the cream is allowed to rise, in this regime base mediocrity is glorified and elevated. Look at the pitiful govt services – roads, hospital etc yet the IG still going into overdrive buying and leasing vehicles (kickbacks perhaps???) but the common people sufering. You seem unable to comprehend the current debt burden and debt to GDP ratio which will be borne by our children and grandchildren. The “soft” Chinese loans for example denoted in yuan/RMB are enormous compared to the size of the Fijian economy. Not to mention the WB/IMF is putting pressure on the Chinese to allow the currency to appreciate naturally. What this means is that the current debt burden will balloon even more. This is only one example of the absence of economic analysis and fiscal responsibility of the IG. I can tell that this is beyond your understanding buddy. If you want to get really technical here, ena sega na kemu…
Vincit Veritas ummm Latin name but in Fijian English is pronounced(Vin-shit Vereda)! Shit to the power of 2.
Sa tu mada o boi qai gole tale mai o DA! don’t waste your time people, the best you can do with a shithead is to ignor them! You can smell them a mile away!
@ Vincit Veritas you seems to be throwing alot of accusations without factual evidences on Frank. You accuse me of being selective yet I was only quoting your statement which means that you’re either denying or too blinded to actually realise your own slective compositions. As for the election well I hope you will also have the character to accept it too because based on the Qarase recent court case most SDL supporters were throwing out those sort of character accpetion of the verdict but when it came they were the ones who didn’t have the character to accept the verdict so we will see shall we.
You seemed to be selective as well on capital assistance we receive from China whilst overlooking the auusie aid with strings we always get whilst the SDL were in power. You again accused me of having a lack of understanding on the technicallities, really mate, you may well need to actually converse with me for few posts first before coming to such conclusions.
Theres numerous analysis that shows the forces determining per capita income levels of nations over the past millennium and the prospects to 2030. In the year 1000 AD, Asian countries were in the lead. By 1820, per capita GDP in Western Europe and the US was twice the Asian average. The divergence had grown much bigger by 1950, but by the 1970s, several Asian countries – Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore – had achieved considerable catch up. Since then, there has been a major surge in China and the beginning of a similar phenomenon in India. As a result, the Asian share of world income has risen steadily and, by 2030, will be fairly close to what it was in 1820.
In conclusion the western economy model you’ve been measuring Fiji with is not the only way mate, perhaps what the current regime is doing is trying to divert slowly our style to match China’s one and based on history and recent world economy movement its not a bad move. I’m surprised your so called analysis mind which you consistantly preach to be greater than everyone here haven’t really grasped or realise the different tactics being applied by the current regime but then again you’re still stuck in the past and your still wearing the western made sunglass, its time you realise that theres alot of chineese made ones out there, try it sometimes you might be surprised of how clear their shades are.
Sa dri yani.
Moto mucu you are bringing up irrelevant things in your weak argument. Why do you talk about China in 1000 A.D.? You might as well talk about Genghis Khan, Marco Polo etc. You are not strengthening your weak arguments mate.
My statements are completely factual eg the surcharge of Piggy before the coup by Min of Finance for busting his allocated budget as approved by Parliament. Do your research and see for yourself mate.
I would also like to know what numerous analysis you are referring to, and how it supports your argument. You are not making much sense.
Let me tell you that the upward rise of the Yuan is inexorable (kindly do an online search of the IMF and WB discussion) which simply means that the loans to Fiji from China will baloon in value when it comes to making the eventual repayments. there’s no such thing as a free lunch buddy. Do you understand economics??
What you have typed up is very superficial and will only captivate impressionable minds like your own and the other deluded posters.
Vince Veritas,
I am really sorry to inform you that you show the attitude of someone who come from this kind of upbringing and family…dysfunctional more below.
Characteristics Dysfunctional Family.
Dysfunctional Behavior.
Dysfunctional Relationships.
What Is Family Dynamics.
Family Dysfunction.
Family Roles.
Triangulation Steps.
Power Struggles in Relationships
Do read up on the above so you can help yourself…and be a better citizen of your “Koro”
@ Vincit Veritas, what I brought up is very relevant that is if you have the understanding, you claim your statements on Frank are factual, you know in the real world that statement is normally accompanied by something called evidence and thats not even taking into account the counter evidence before you can outrightly call it complete facts.
You see what I have posted to you is a brief history on how the world economy fluctuates over decades after decades because inorder to try and build our country economy not only do we study the models of different type of economy but also its entire history. The economic crisis that occured in 2008 took the western world by surprise and up till now especially in europe they’re still trying to breath again.
Many causes for the financial crisis have been suggested, with varying weight assigned by experts. The U.S. Senate’s Levin coburn report asserted that the crisis was the result of “high risk, complex financial products; undisclosed conflicts of interest; the failure of regulators, the credit rating agencies, and the market itself to rein in the excesses of Wall Street.
Two of the major factors is the western economy liberal use of the Gaussian copula function and their failure to track data provenance, and that is where Fiji can adapt its econoic model to suit its style. If you have a look at our history since independence weve tried to adapt the western formula and the results is our nickname of the south pacific coup capital. Most western tourists come and visit and say oh we’re poor but actually if you look closely, most western countries citizens live way above their needs and pay, they have a credit card and monthly payment finances habit. They basically eat, drink and go on holidays on credit that they spent their whole life trying to repay.
Just because their media and citizens say that their life is great it isnt as simple as such. Most pay loans through loans, they pay their credit cards through other credit cards.
Your quotation on the rise of yuan and the baloon in our loans payment is well a factor that everyone knows, China is forecasts to be the next super power, you seriously dont think the yuan wont rise with that dont you. We cant change that but what we can change is our national economic modules so we can have a model that can actually assist us to live with the repayments when its time.
Serioulsy buddy where did you learn your economics, you sound like a person who’s only experience is in third world country economics and trying to explain super power economy, you’re way beyond your depth. If you wanna sound serious try and study the european unions economies in the past 5 years together with the US ones and then cross check it with China and India economies. Trying to base your arguments on the IMF, WB, SDL government and Aus and NZ gov just makes you look like a one dimesional visionary.
Sa dri yani
To all the people on this thread,
Bula Vinaka,
Please listen to me with an open mind.
I think that this discourse would be much more productive if the issues were separated from the people.
There are some very cogent and persuasive points raised on both sides, but it is utterly lost in all the personal attacks.
Whichever side you represent, why not let your arguments stand on their own merits? Why all the name calling?
Yes, we may all have personal views on the people we are referring to, but there is no need to let that colour what we are saying.
The current PM was not elected – ok – but especially when talking to people who are supporters of the current regime, surely using terms such as “dictator” are inciteful.
The same would go for former PM Mr. Qarase. There is no need to call him names either. There are some of us who have serious reservations about his sentence and the Court of Appeal has yet to weigh in.
Whether you like these people or not is not an issue. I find it quite disconcerting to read some of these comments because I’m connected to people who are being abused by both sides. This is a small country and I’m sure many of us are related or somehow connected to people on both sides of the political divide.
Just an honest and sincere plea from me, please try to keep it civil.
Vinaka